BTW if you don't want to get beatin up as you say accept other peoples views, don't expect everyone to jump in ur boat and expect to get picked apart when you post like a Cracker on a tangent.
They were Iltis's and the biggest pieces of crap I have ever drove lucky to get 80kmh downhill with a tail wind. Yeah they were great to bash around in as a Civie but left a lot to be desired compared to other general purpose military vehicles Canadian Forces have been using the Mercedes G-wagens for over 12 years in overseas deployments because of the shortcomings of the Iltis. I still remember being shot at in Bosnia and couldn't get the dam things to move much faster than an old tired out '60s VW bug specially with 4 big dudes and all the patrol gear. Yes I totally agree the skinny tire is the best for certain types of terrain where it's about digging down to get traction but other times you need floatation when no matter how far you dig you won't find solid ground under you tire before sitting on your frame.
Here we go again? You should just start you own forum where you post your bad grammar tangents that give people headaches and won't be bothered by people with just as much experience as you with differing opinions I have owned and driven all types of vehicles. Heck I used to take my 81 Toyota Celica up Harbourview RD in Sooke to Sheilds and Crabapple lakes getting pulled and tugged at times by my friends you take any vehicle anywhere as long as you don't care what breaks. My 2nd gen 4runner went everywhere my buddy in his Samurai both stock and stock sized tires. Realty is if your having to winch and slid your tracker on it's belly you really not treading lightly on the trail and will lead to closures to areas of access which should be the motto of any 4 Wheeler worth a grain of salt. You can find loads of videos of people jumping 4Runners, Tacomas etc in you tube that doesn't prove that you truck is tougher than any other you just have been lucky is all.
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I was also gonna say that up until the 4th generation of 4Runner when the 4R was redesigned before the Taco they where based on the pickup and shared pretty much everything including front fenders but not the rear of the body until 2003 so almost 20years. Plus every 4Runner has ladder frame construction which is more sought after for offroading, not uni-body like the Trackers and newer Pathfinders . Most Toyota 4x4's come with a 31X10.5 tire if you look anywhere else in the world Toyota's "4runners included" are the most widely used vehicle offroad come on even the Taliban knows they are tough. The 4Runner was one of the original SUV's like a Jeep XJ was.
BeRadical, is right on point with that last comment about the lifting causing problems as well as bigger heavier tires. You could also do a diff drop on the front but then lose precious ground clearance that you just lifted for.
Wow another slingin match between local guru and another person with a conflicting opinion.. This site is almost as bad as pirate was for the drama.. Don't ask for opinions when you can't stand an opposing view.. You know what they say about opinions right? Sounds to me you should go back to beating on your stock vehicles doing 160kmh down a loggin road and leave modifying to the big boys.. I think both theshanergy's and beradical's points of view coincide with what most hard core off-road drivers and builders already know. Every 4 wheeler I have owned has been lifted a minimum of 2 or 3 inches some as much as 6, I owned a 77 ford with 44"s that was a tank back in high school it was lifted at the dealer when bought new by my uncle in 76.. Your point of view has some validity but legally if the vehicle passes inspection it is considered road legal by guess who ICBC. BTW if you think 4Runners are a station wagon it shows how closed minded you really are to people outside you circle of believes. There's no point discussing an issue like this with people like you with a little bit of knowledge compared to some of us that have built some amazing customized off road machines. IMHO I would chose IFS for a DD and a Solid Axle for a mostly dedicated offroader I have driven both off road and IFS can leave a lot to be desired such as lifting tires since flex isn't as good in an IFS to get the same amount of flex from and IFS compared to a Solid Axle costs way more money to get flex and lift.
BTW if you don't want to get beatin up as you say accept other peoples views, don't expect everyone to jump in ur boat and expect to get picked apart when you post like a Cracker on a tangent.
They were Iltis's and the biggest pieces of crap I have ever drove lucky to get 80kmh downhill with a tail wind. Yeah they were great to bash around in as a Civie but left a lot to be desired compared to other general purpose military vehicles Canadian Forces have been using the Mercedes G-wagens for over 12 years in overseas deployments because of the shortcomings of the Iltis. I still remember being shot at in Bosnia and couldn't get the dam things to move much faster than an old tired out '60s VW bug specially with 4 big dudes and all the patrol gear. Yes I totally agree the skinny tire is the best for certain types of terrain where it's about digging down to get traction but other times you need floatation when no matter how far you dig you won't find solid ground under you tire before sitting on your frame.
Here we go again? You should just start you own forum where you post your bad grammar tangents that give people headaches and won't be bothered by people with just as much experience as you with differing opinions I have owned and driven all types of vehicles. Heck I used to take my 81 Toyota Celica up Harbourview RD in Sooke to Sheilds and Crabapple lakes getting pulled and tugged at times by my friends you take any vehicle anywhere as long as you don't care what breaks. My 2nd gen 4runner went everywhere my buddy in his Samurai both stock and stock sized tires. Realty is if your having to winch and slid your tracker on it's belly you really not treading lightly on the trail and will lead to closures to areas of access which should be the motto of any 4 Wheeler worth a grain of salt. You can find loads of videos of people jumping 4Runners, Tacomas etc in you tube that doesn't prove that you truck is tougher than any other you just have been lucky is all.
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I was also gonna say that up until the 4th generation of 4Runner when the 4R was redesigned before the Taco they where based on the pickup and shared pretty much everything including front fenders but not the rear of the body until 2003 so almost 20years. Plus every 4Runner has ladder frame construction which is more sought after for offroading, not uni-body like the Trackers and newer Pathfinders . Most Toyota 4x4's come with a 31X10.5 tire if you look anywhere else in the world Toyota's "4runners included" are the most widely used vehicle offroad come on even the Taliban knows they are tough. The 4Runner was one of the original SUV's like a Jeep XJ was.
BeRadical, is right on point with that last comment about the lifting causing problems as well as bigger heavier tires. You could also do a diff drop on the front but then lose precious ground clearance that you just lifted for.
Wow another slingin match between local guru and another person with a conflicting opinion.. This site is almost as bad as pirate was for the drama.. Don't ask for opinions when you can't stand an opposing view.. You know what they say about opinions right? Sounds to me you should go back to beating on your stock vehicles doing 160kmh down a loggin road and leave modifying to the big boys.. I think both theshanergy's and beradical's points of view coincide with what most hard core off-road drivers and builders already know. Every 4 wheeler I have owned has been lifted a minimum of 2 or 3 inches some as much as 6, I owned a 77 ford with 44"s that was a tank back in high school it was lifted at the dealer when bought new by my uncle in 76.. Your point of view has some validity but legally if the vehicle passes inspection it is considered road legal by guess who ICBC. BTW if you think 4Runners are a station wagon it shows how closed minded you really are to people outside you circle of believes. There's no point discussing an issue like this with people like you with a little bit of knowledge compared to some of us that have built some amazing customized off road machines. IMHO I would chose IFS for a DD and a Solid Axle for a mostly dedicated offroader I have driven both off road and IFS can leave a lot to be desired such as lifting tires since flex isn't as good in an IFS to get the same amount of flex from and IFS compared to a Solid Axle costs way more money to get flex and lift.